NA Motor Build Up

[rygen]

Any of you guys considering a full on NA motor build up? I know some of you are running heads, cams and potentially the new C&L Intake. Anyone considering a high CR piston setup?

What about a 5.0 stroker? Whos getting really hard core on their setups?

[boss281]

I have JUST begun researching this, as mentioned earlier today. JJ is finally giving up on his "just be done with this and get a supercharger" mantra and we've touched on approaches to a ground up rebuild or new motor for 2010.

So far I've picked up two books from the man we love to hate, Sean Hyland, entitled "High Performance Mustang Builder's Guide 1994-2004", and "How to Build Max-Performance 4.6-liter Ford Engines". I guess I should start reading tonight.

I also ordered two other books, "How to Rebuild 4.6-/5.4-Liter Ford Engines" by George Reid which comes out in a couple of months, and "Ford Engine Buildups HP1531: Covers 302/351 CID Small-Blocks, 1968-1995 4.6L and 5.4L Modular Engines, 1996-2008; Heads, Cams, Stroker Kits, Dyno-Tested Power Combos, F.I. Systems" by Evan J. Smith and Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords Magazine.

I'll keep my eyes open for shortblock or deals on just the block now too...

John

[ArtQ]

That Livernois stroker assy. has me thinking......

http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/view.phtml?f_cat=Performance+Packages%3A+Ford%3A+3-Valve%3A+Rotating+Assemblies

[rygen]

Very cool. I got my bare block (for my next project) here:

http://www.karkraft.com/new_page_6.htm

http://www.karkraft.com/54%20cast%20block%20new.jpg

[chad05gt]

Ill be venturing in that direction soon...

...may just get bal/blu stroker shortblock from Livernois; feelin' a lil lazy:D

[MarcSpaz]

This is in the works for next year...100% for sure. I would love to get between 11.5 - 12.5 to 1 CR. Need to do some research. I know anything 12.5:1 you pretty much need full time race fuel, so I may stay on the lower side so I can still drive it on the streets.

I am not going to spend too much time on it now due to funds, but I am watching the posts to help ease the learning curve.

[rygen]

I thought you were going FI Marc?

[MarcSpaz]

I thought you were going FI Marc?

It's on the plate to consider.

My thinking is this, I am building an engine one peice at a time. I am pulling the heads off this engine. Later on next year I wanted to get a block with a built bottom end to go FI. My current mods plus a kick-but turbo or centri SC system at 5 lbs of boost would rock me into 570+ at the wheels and deep into the 10's and I can start chasing 9's from there.

However, if I can get 420+ NA out of a built top-end, it might be more fun to chase low 11's or 10.999 with an added bored/stroked block.

The coin toss will be won by just how streetable the car is at 400+ NA HP.

[rygen]

You looking at foxlake heads? If you go all motor I would look at a higher CR, you can always set it up for the bottle later.

[MarcSpaz]

No Spray. Up in the air on the Foxlake's? Livernios is looking good at this point.

[boss281]

Sending my core out has never been to my liking. If I had an extra set that I picked up cheap or free, I'd send them to fox lake, as they have a great rep and certainly price competitive. But I hate the down time on my car as is, and hte livernois option just seems a better choice right now. Just waiting on the cash saved up...

[germansheperd]

Sending my core out has never been to my liking. If I had an extra set that I picked up cheap or free, I'd send them to fox lake, as they have a great rep and certainly price competitive. But I hate the down time on my car as is, and hte livernois option just seems a better choice right now. Just waiting on the cash saved up...+1 for Fox Lake

[MarcSpaz]

Sending my core out has never been to my liking. If I had an extra set that I picked up cheap or free, I'd send them to fox lake, as they have a great rep and certainly price competitive. But I hate the down time on my car as is, and hte livernois option just seems a better choice right now. Just waiting on the cash saved up...

I'll let you use mine after I do my swap, if I can get your old ones when you are done. Livernios will give me $200+ for my old ones, but I don't mind waiting if the timing helps you.

[boss281]

Marc, I'll give you $200 for the heads! There's a guy near me that does custom machine work, and it might be fun to try something different. It will cost me less money this way anyhow. If you are ok with that, I'll start researching a setup and begin ordering the new cams and other supporting parts...

[MarcSpaz]

Ok, that sounds good.

I should be ordering my heads Thursday or Friday and should be able to get them installed within the next 2 weeks. I'll let you know when we get ready to do the install.

[John@BlowByRacing.com]

We offer an awesome longblock assembly.

2005-08 Mustang GT Aluminum Block -OEM Aluminum 2005 + Block, torque plate bored and honed

-Kellogg Crank

-Manley H-beam Rods - these rods are shotpeened, magnafluxed and weight matched w/ ARP rod bolts.

-Forged Manley pistons 3.552 Bore size

-Speed Pro file fit rings (precision file fit to your application, Nitrous, Blower, Turbo or N/A)

-Tri-metal Rod and Main bearings

-Assembled and Balanced for the smooth & high revving shortblock

Blow-By Racing Stage 3 CNC 3V Cylinder Heads
Fully assembled heads using Manley High Performance Valves, Manley Valve Spring new seals, and OEM stock valves retainers & locks.

CNC'd to Perfection with Every Port & Chamber Matched to Equalize Air Flow.


Blow By Racing Stage II Camshafts w/ VCT Lockouts
SOHC Max Street / Strip Performance cam with Rough Idle. We recommend lower gears(4.10-4.56 Recommended), Computer Programming Required, Exhaust Upgrades Recommended and 2700+ stall for automatics. RPM Range 2000-6500.
241/251 .050" duration, .492/.492 lift, 114 LSA.
Highly Recommend Replacing Valve Spring.
Gross Lift Intake- .492, Exhaust- .492
Advertised Duration Intake- 284°, Exhaust- 294°

[MarcSpaz]

Looks like it could be a nice build. What ballpark are we playing in?

[2k05gt]

Nice BBR I wish I had the Money.. I am going to wind up with Marc's left over Comp Stage II Cams :-(
Oh no Sloppy seconds ....:eek:

[MarcSpaz]

Yuk... TMI ! They arn't sloppy, they are broken in. LOL

BTW, you might want to order some cam phaser bolts sometime in the next two weeks. I am ordering my heads and cams on Friday. They should be going in the Friday after that.

[boss281]

Got this from Amazon today: http://www.amazon.com/Rebuild-4-6-5-4-Liter-Engines-Sadesign/dp/1932494804/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1239729085&sr=8-1 . (couldn't paste the cover picture in here for some reason).

Looks like a basic but interesting read! I'll have thoughts after I've gone through it.

[MarcSpaz]

That looks good. I am interested in how it compares to the Ford service manual.